tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6592607595936297457.post7422164849969422335..comments2024-03-27T05:14:13.995-04:00Comments on Anthrax Vaccine -- posts by Meryl Nass, M.D.: Building on 'Outstanding Questions'Meryl Nass, M.D.http://www.blogger.com/profile/07001997291638442225noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6592607595936297457.post-79274142868469882682010-06-03T19:24:38.589-04:002010-06-03T19:24:38.589-04:00For what it is worth, the preparation of the envel...For what it is worth, the preparation of the envelopes tends to confirm collaboration. I note the sample here, of the Brokaw and Daschle letters:<br />http://travis.kroh.net/archives/anthrax_letters.jpg<br /><br />And the Florida hoax letter here:<br /><br />http://www.sptimes.com/News/101301/TampaBay/Brokaw_s_aide_tests_p.shtml<br /><br />Also all in capital letters. <br /><br />In my opinion, there are two hands involved, but apparently an agreed upon strategy of using all capital letters. I would be interesting to see if this theory can be substantiated with comparison of all the handwriting forensics. The lack of a central internet repository making all these documents available for analysis is rather striking and again confirms that the FBI is not forthcoming, a circumstance most readily explained as a result of a horribly bungled (or worse investigation). <br /><br />Dr. Nass, what a great website! Thank you for creating a venue for public discourse on this important matter.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6592607595936297457.post-44845419836949308352008-09-11T19:46:00.000-04:002008-09-11T19:46:00.000-04:00Returning to Princeton, I guess the duh question i...Returning to Princeton, I guess the duh question is "Did Princeton University have the machinery to create such anthrax? Didja check? at what stage of the investigation?" <BR/><BR/>And whatever happened to the pre-stampped envelope story with the defect that limited it to around D.C.? If the distribution is further, how much so? Where? New Jersey?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6592607595936297457.post-4307924134277139112008-09-11T01:17:00.000-04:002008-09-11T01:17:00.000-04:00It's nice the FBI has proven the attack anthrax ca...It's nice the FBI has proven the attack anthrax came from RMR-1029 flask but unless I'm missing something that doesn't seem to solve the case. If material from RMR-1029 was sent to another lab, then some of it got stolen and the thieves grew more, wouldn't it also have the 4 mutations? Clearly such a clandestine lab would not be sending any samples to the repository with a backup copy to Dr. Keim.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6592607595936297457.post-45334880537620984552008-09-10T17:59:00.000-04:002008-09-10T17:59:00.000-04:00Dr. Nass,I take it you don't believe Ivins targete...Dr. Nass,<BR/><BR/>I take it you don't believe Ivins targeted ABC, CBS and Tom Brokaw to get back at Gary "Kiss My Ass" Matsumoto. And that Ivins targeted all three just to make sure since Matsumoto changed employers. Or something like that? <BR/><BR/>Ha. I agree, they were targeted because of big name. The CBS and ABC letters might have been addressed to Rather and Jennings (?), but they would rather not talk about it, their concern for the anthrax case being far outweighed, I suspect, by their fear the public will learn they regularly dump fan mail in the trash. I don't think it's they being in New York, I think the perpetrator aimed for the anchors whereever they would be broadcasting from.<BR/><BR/>On the sorority angle, if Ivins intended to frame the sorority by proximity to the Princeton office, why did the second letters have a return address in central New Jersey? Isn't it more likely the perp was in Princeton, knew post deposited there is stamped Trenton, and used a central NJ address he thought would be within the Trenton zone to mislead as to location of mailing?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6592607595936297457.post-62260461732656209822008-09-10T17:36:00.000-04:002008-09-10T17:36:00.000-04:00Eliz.It is a good question "where." The first "wh...Eliz.<BR/><BR/>It is a good question "where." The first "where" should be about the most recent statements, "Where and what is the name of the other laboratory that had the mutant strain?"<BR/><BR/>The history of the "Where's Ames" is complex. In the beginning, 2001 and onward-- we were assured, anonymously via government, and by name by public theorists, that Ames is "rare" and it could only be from Ft. Detrick. (This was before the mutant/variant of Ames was discovered per recent news.) This assertion was also necessary to figure Hatfill as the culprit. <BR/>Scientists below the radar said no, Ames was ubiquitous. Now, via pursuit of the mutant and building a case against Ivins, the FBI admits Ames was and is in labs around the world. They assert this to show how they later tested Ames for the mutant strain and precluded all these labs around the world from being the source.<BR/><BR/>Interesting coincidence? They said it was limted to Ft. Detrick and they were wrong. Now, years later, they admit Ames was widespread but any way, hey, it was Ft. Detrick after all.<BR/><BR/>Also, about the number of letters. Investigators commonly do not publicise everything they have, an investigative tool. So congressional questioners should inquire into non-genetic/Ivins matters too. Such as, what are the memories of the letters thrown away or not later found at the National Enquirer, ABC and CBS? Why are the Enquirer people not talking publicly now, are they still told not to? Indeed, is there another letter that was found, say to another official, but that you kept knowledge of in reserve for investigative purposes? Who was that letter sent to? (Unlikely, but you never know with this investigation.) <BR/><BR/>Also, what is there theory why National Enquirer was targeted? Why the New York Post? Isn't it an interesting coincidence that the New York Post is the most openly American flag-waving, pro-Israel paper, and the letter said "Death to America...Israel?"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6592607595936297457.post-83200286085607757132008-09-09T17:37:00.000-04:002008-09-09T17:37:00.000-04:00I hope I can still add a question to this thread.W...I hope I can still add a question to this thread.<BR/><BR/>Why did Battelle ask for and recieve some Ames stock from Ft. Detrick in May 2001<BR/><BR/>http://www.ph.ucla.edu/EPI/bioter/aimsstrainfewlabs.html<BR/><BR/>when CIA already had Ames?<BR/><BR/>http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/12/16/cia.anthrax/index.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6592607595936297457.post-85626480549913038582008-09-08T20:40:00.000-04:002008-09-08T20:40:00.000-04:00We have letters from Florida going to NBC along wi...We have letters from Florida going to NBC along with the anthrax letters from Trenton to NBC. We also have an anthrax letter from Trenton going to Florida. So we have it in both directions with Florida. That makes coordination much more likely. <BR/><BR/>The St. Petersburg Fl letters warned NBC that anthrax would be coming. So they were intended as double warning letters in case NBC and/or the others threw away their anthrax letters w/o following the warning directions. As it happened, this is what happened. This also makes it more likely the Florida end knew this was to use real anthrax as part of the operation.Old Atlantic Lighthousehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11851308758539648628noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6592607595936297457.post-37590319291561200642008-09-07T09:58:00.000-04:002008-09-07T09:58:00.000-04:00I think its very important you have kept attention...I think its very important you have kept attention on the so-called hoax letters. They are really part of the plot. The following Freeper comment is difficult to improve on:<BR/><BR/>" It was the hoax letter mailed from St. Petersburg to Tom Brokaw at NBC. Postmarked on September 20, 2001, just two days after the real anthrax letter was mailed to Brokaw. Both letters were opened by the same assistant to Brokaw.<BR/><BR/>The date September 20 was way before any news reports on any of the anthrax cases, so this wasn't a copycat letter or a letter motivated by any anthrax case in the news.<BR/><BR/>There weren't very many hoax anthrax letters before the real letters became known and the copycats started doing their thing. The chance that Brokaw would coincidentally be sent 2 letters at almost the same time is remote.<BR/><BR/>Also the hoax letter didn't claim that its powder was anthrax; it correctly foretold the attack by saying "SAMPLE OF HOW IT WILL LOOK"... and included a bioterror threat.<BR/><BR/>So... it's a threat in the mail, with fake anthrax powder, before the anthrax letters were known. Before any anthrax cases were known. It was sent to a reporter before anyone knew that reporters would be targets... And not just any reporter, but Tom Brokaw, who was sent a real anthrax letter 2 days earlier, unknown to anyone not in on the plot.<BR/>21 posted on Sunday, January 21, 2007 3:38:38 PM by John Faust<BR/>[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]<BR/>"<BR/><BR/>http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1767704/posts<BR/><BR/>The Sep 20 St. Petersburg letters were 2 days from the Sep 18 postmark letters. But if put in the box on Sep 19, they were the day after.<BR/><BR/>In October, the Oct 5th letters were on a Friday from St. Petersburg. The anthrax letters might have been mailed Oct 6th in a box and picked up Oct 9th. So the two sets of letters may have been one day apart each time.<BR/><BR/>Its really a coordinated effort it appears. The first letters with real anthrax were not paid attention to as much as the St. Petersburg hoax letters were.<BR/><BR/>http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?<BR/>res=9B0CE4D7103FF937A25753C1A9679C8B63&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=all<BR/><BR/>http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?<BR/>res=9E03E6DF113FF937A25753C1A9679C8B63&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=all<BR/><BR/>These NYT articles were before the second mailings hit. The St. Petersburg letters were the original main focus, as they were intended to. As the Freeper points out above, they were sent as a warning in the Sep 20 case.<BR/><BR/>Now some logic.<BR/><BR/>textbook logic<BR/><BR/>1. Florida and NJ letters linked.<BR/>2. FBI checked and Ivins was a loner with no one to do Florida mailings.<BR/>3. Therefore Ivins was not involved.<BR/><BR/>FBI logic.<BR/>1. Ivins did it alone.<BR/>2. FBI checked and Ivins was a loner with no one to do Florida mailings.<BR/>3. Therefore, the Florida and NJ letters were not linked.<BR/><BR/>The Florida and NJ letters are discussed here, as you know, but I include it here for completeness:<BR/><BR/>http://www.ph.ucla.edu/epi/Bioter/messageanthrax.html<BR/><BR/>Following search in Google brings up most of the above links<BR/><BR/>anthrax "St Petersburg" Florida letterOld Atlantic Lighthousehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11851308758539648628noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6592607595936297457.post-17774997212670889612008-09-07T04:39:00.000-04:002008-09-07T04:39:00.000-04:00The 16 figure works for me with a hyperlink to the...The 16 figure works for me with a hyperlink to the BS article. But the reality is that the figure was long ago narrowed by the new wave of genetics investigation. In the popular press, it was reflected by an MSNBC report. In the peer reviewed literature, the science was in papers by Paul Keim and his colleagues. But now that you point to this, I would just hyperlink this (you very possibly already do) and leave it alone. The transcript on the science says there were "other labs" to include at least one "quasi-governmental" lab." It would certainly be interesting for the US DOJ to disclose the labs isolates were found -- as well as the identity of the labs associated with all researchers known to have access. Although there were 8 known isolates, that is just 8 isolates that were sent in. There was self-reporting. Someone responsible for 5 murders -- either personally or through lax security -- might not have had an incentive to send in the correct sample. I wonder if the FBI considered that murder suspects don't usually voluntarily turn over the murder weapon. <BR/><BR/>We certainly owe a lot to Dr. Nass for being an early voice expressing doubts at a time when the FBI was in the driver's seat spinning stories of how upset Ivins was and how -- gasp! -- he engaged in ongoing efforts to edit wikipedia. "George Washington," he even used fake screen names on the internet!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6592607595936297457.post-50966585285918634132008-09-07T00:49:00.000-04:002008-09-07T00:49:00.000-04:00Anonymous, that is what the Baltimore Sun said.Cou...Anonymous, that is <A HREF="http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/nation/bal-anthrax0807,0,4430001.story" REL="nofollow">what the Baltimore Sun said</A>.<BR/><BR/>Could the Sun have misreported what the FBI said?<BR/><BR/>Of course.Washingtons Bloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10891277931441055038noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6592607595936297457.post-80541845371240115212008-09-06T23:39:00.000-04:002008-09-06T23:39:00.000-04:00Absolutely fantastic update- thank you so much for...Absolutely fantastic update- thank you so much for continuing to ask these questions, Dr. Nass!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6592607595936297457.post-3858098413159451472008-09-06T18:24:00.000-04:002008-09-06T18:24:00.000-04:00George Washington. Your analysis on the distribut...George Washington. Your analysis on the distribution is mistaken. It was 16 labs that had Ames (in virulent form) generally. But then the number that the closer match -- based on the new genetic inquiry possible -- was a much smaller number. USAMRIID. Battelle and UNM are two of the "other labs" according to one quote by Attorney Kemp I saw. If there is another, that would be consistent with an MSNBC report a long while back that the number had been narrowed to 4.<BR/><BR/>Certainly, I agree with you that the NYT article is very notable. And I agree with you Ivins is innocent but instead his flask is just the original source of the Ames.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6592607595936297457.post-22500100222758558382008-09-06T16:59:00.000-04:002008-09-06T16:59:00.000-04:00Dr. Nass, Great essay! Here's some new informati...Dr. Nass,<BR/><BR/> Great essay!<BR/><BR/> Here's <A HREF="http://georgewashington2.blogspot.com/2008/09/new-evidence-shows-ivins-case-even.html" REL="nofollow">some new information</A>.Washingtons Bloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10891277931441055038noreply@blogger.com